A while back I had to dispatch a suffering critter on the
WB
[subject]
Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 08:21 (2945 days ago)
place with the trusty M63 S&W .22 LR. I used Super-X 39 gr. Copper HP. It did the trick in the ear.
Just saying as a sort of truck gun for anything is there a hedge for arming yourself with a .22 LR, ammo wise. I like Gary's tool and the FP ammo. My biggest critique is most is subsonic from the 4" revolver. Mainly the gun application not the ammo. It would be interesting to see how many grains and the speeds if any change with that little bit of lead removed. What 3-5 grs? Maybe some FPS? Probably not worth worrying over. Interesting, I have scales and chronographs...
I used to carry CCI Stingers that are 36 gr. and go super sonic in my little 4". What would you carry if you might by complete default use a .22 for self defense? We carry it around here on the place and you never know what you might see. Just curious on various thought, no wrong answer and everyone has their opinion.
Federal 31gr
Paul
[subject]
Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 09:13 (2945 days ago) @ WB
I have some of these and they seem to shoot very well. Got them packed up right now so I don't know the claimed speed. Have not shot a critter with them. Would like to "do" a couple jacks with them.
I like the stingers
Woody
[subject]
Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 09:24 (2945 days ago) @ Paul
- No text -
Stingers have my vote too.
steve todd
[subject]
Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 09:27 (2945 days ago) @ Woody
- No text -
Remember the original CCI Stinger adds from 70's?
WB
[subject]
Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 11:08 (2945 days ago) @ steve todd
It showed the dramatic difference in shooting soda pop cans. The Stinger cans were blown all out! The 1650 fps velocity quote was fro rifles, some 300+ fps faster for only 4 grs. lighter bullet. The case was nickel and a little longer. It had to be trick like the add said!
Boy I got me a box and shot some cans! It pretty much lived up to the add copy. I did note in a revolver it was a little less. But I was excited, it even sounded louder in the handgun (sonic pop) so it had to be more powerful, right?!
Old habits sometimes win out at the sale counter, they still make it!
Only one Stinger is needed for a raccoon
Harry
[subject]
Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 14:01 (2945 days ago) @ WB
Which reminds me of the Raccoon Philosopher:
![[image]](https://s6.postimg.cc/9ugo6j7yp/20170211173527589f4b5f9f5a4.jpg)
I would use plated round nose .. standard weight ..
Jim Taylor
[subject]
Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 09:33 (2945 days ago) @ WB
not HP's. Most likely out of a short gun the HP's won't open .. and for self defense I would prefer they did not. I want penetration. If shots are to the sinus cavities I want them to get in deep. Same for shots to the living room.
Along those lines in the "revolver" I feel
WB
[subject]
Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 11:11 (2945 days ago) @ Jim Taylor
Gary's FP tool ammo would have a clear advantage in penetration. When's the last time you shot a RN from your .454 Casull? LOL I thin a FN will punch a hole ahead of itself and penetrate flesh/bone more straight without deflection.
Fun idea to try to test....
After ammo accuracy testing, that test will be next.
Amede
[subject]
Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 12:17 (2945 days ago) @ WB
I intend to mix up some ballistic gelatin and see what happens. From an interviewed gophers perspective, they penetrate deeper than an HP but still expand to give a clean kill. I have seen many solid heads just go through and the dang things run down the hole!
Last weekend I took 5 22 pistols
Amede
[subject]
Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 09:37 (2945 days ago) @ WB
and a 22 Rifle out along with 7 different kinds of ammo.
Eley Target
Winchester 40gr brass point
Federal standard lead
Remington Thunderbolt
Remington 36gr HP
Armscor 36gr HP
CCI 40gr standard
Like many others, curing the shortage I picked up whatever I could find and now have a mish mash of 22. Many are the standard head design as I do like to use the cutoff tool. I was testing for accuracy and to see which ones might shoot a bit dirtier than the others. The guns I took were
Marlin 880SQ Bolt rifle(4x scope)
Ruger bearcat(old)
Ruger 22/45 5.5"
Ruger MkIII Hunter
Ruger Single Six 6.5"
Ruger Charger - Original model w/ 3x Tasco WC scope
I didnt measure velocity yet, and I have a few more brands of ammo to test. But here is the short of it.
The Armscor was by far the best choice for the Marlin and the Charger, with the Marlin posting a sub 1" group at 50 yards. The Charger was close behind at about 1.5" but if I were to use a crosshair scope instead of the "dot" I believe I could really bring that down. The bearcat and the Mk 3 Hunter really preferred the lead remington thunderheads, with the MK 3 putting in a 1" group at 25 with open sights. However the Armscor came in a close second. The single six really showed no preference or dislike. I shot the federal, armscor and remington thunderheads about the same. None of these liked the winchester and only the single six shot the CCI well.
All of the standard leads rounds showed more residue, with them all being about the same. Of course the coated or copper plated ones were cleaner. I didnt run enough rounds through any of them to really make them to dirty to start getting sticky, but after 20 or so shots you could see which ones seemed to leave more.
I will need to chrony them but right now for me the leader is the Armscor 36gr HP. It shoots really well out of the rifle and charger and very well out of all but one of the pistols. I guess I will keep the thunderheads around for serious target work with the Mk3 and the bearcat. Everything will probably digest the Armscor. I hope to get out this next weekend and test about 4 more brands and see how they do. And then I will chrony the top choices to see if there is any real relevance there.
All groups I shot were 10 shots, FWIW.
Amede
[subject]
Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 09:39 (2945 days ago) @ Amede
- No text -
it is odd how some guns like one ammo while
Gary Reeder
[subject]
Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 13:57 (2945 days ago) @ Amede
others won't shoot it all, or one gun is much more accurate than others. Back many years ago I wrote a weekly column called Southern Sportsman for the Nashville newspaper showing new guns, hunting successes including whitetail deer and bear taken, and other gun info (try doing that today). This was in the early 70s. The new hyper ammo was just coming out. We had the Stinger, the Winchester Expediter, The Remington Yellow Jacket, and one other from Federal (can't remember the name right now). But I decided to do an accuracy test on them. I had a Remington 541, a Sears Model 30 semi auto, a Marlin model 99 M1, a semi auto carbine, one of the Mossberg bolt action military training guns with the crude peep sight and the Remington 552 semi auto. I borrowed a Winchester model 52 standard model, (not the match grade) from a friend.
The test was simple. Shoot 5 rounds from each gun with one brand, then do the next brand. I did not let the barrels cool after the shots as there was only 5 shots taken from each gun before going to the next gun. They were all shot off sandbags at the local range. Nothing special was done. This was in 1972 so there really weren't any special gizmos at that time.
At the end of the shooting the Winchester Expediter was the most accurate in all 6 guns which surprised me a bit. The big surprise was the most accurate gun with all ammo was the Marlin model 99M1, a little short carbine. After the article was published I had mentioned in the column that I was surprised with the results. But I had a few people call (no e-mail back then) and tell me they figured it was due to Marlin's Micro Groove. I didn't know diddly about the Micro Groove (that was 46 years ago) so I just agreed with them. But it did impress me that not always is the most expensive gun the best or most accurate.
Somewhere along the way I either traded or sold my little marlin 99M1 and the Sears model 30 and later on regretted it. A couple of years back I did what old fogies do as they get older and tried to get the guns I grew up with, like the 99M1, the Sears model 30 (made by High Standard) and the High Standard Double Nine 22 revolver. I was extremely surprised that the 99M1s were going for nearly $300 in good shape as were the Sears model 29, 30 or 31 (all semi auto 22 LRs.) I was highly pissed as I would bid on them on gunbroker and invariably the auction ended in the middle of the night. I would get up, check the auction and find I was beat by someone else. I got so pissed I bid on 4 of the 99M1s, figuring I would get one of them for sure. I also bid on 3 of the Sears model 30 and model 31 (both the same gun, one just a bit fancier than the other). Needless to say I got 3 of the 99M1s and all 3 of the Sears model 29s and 30. I picked out the 2 best of each and sold the others and I think I actually made some money on the deal. (beginning to sound like WB).
After all that I don't remember what the reason for the post was now. Getting old is a bitch. Then you die, which is even worse.
some of the guns used in the test
Gary Reeder
[subject]
Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 14:15 (2945 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
The Marlin 99M1
![[image]](images/uploaded/201808152103025b7495064be92.jpg)
The Sears model 29
![[image]](images/uploaded/201808152111495b74971575e89.jpg)
The model 30
![[image]](images/uploaded/201808152112385b749746bd55e.jpg)
and the model 31 (all made by High Standard)
![[image]](images/uploaded/201808152113365b749780b6ed6.jpg)
![[image]](images/uploaded/201808152113545b74979274a28.jpg)
Armscor
Paul
[subject]
Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 15:19 (2945 days ago) @ Amede
I really like them. Load perfect in my cylinders like the CCI and the Stingers. Nothing else does after a few rounds
Their 22 Magnum ammo is unbeatable...
Huey
[subject]
Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 16:17 (2945 days ago) @ Paul
- No text -
Stingers or the Remington Viper
Derek
[subject]
Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 11:19 (2945 days ago) @ WB
- No text -
22s
Frank Simon
[subject]
Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 12:39 (2945 days ago) @ WB
My 2 cents worth...I find the cci velocitors the better vs stingers...But the std 40 lead run through the Reeder Flat top tool is getting high marks around here on critters...fwiw
Coupe de gracie on my line
Jk
[subject]
Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 14:06 (2945 days ago) @ WB
Are the cci quiet lr.
Scotty how about a pic of that kit gun?
ChrisG
[subject]
Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 14:44 (2945 days ago) @ WB
- No text -
I bought it in 1985 for $175, my dad took it
WB
[subject]
Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 16:06 (2945 days ago) @ ChrisG
For his own use for a good while. Got it back before he passed. It's taught many folks how to shoot, killed two whitetails (mortally wounded) and a bunch of other stuff. Note the Tyler-grip adapter that folks the gripframe but keeps things tiny. And Gary Reeder himself gave me that custom trigger shoe. She is truly an old friend too handy not to pack along. Lol![[image]](images/uploaded/201808152304545b74b19663a86.jpg)
FANTASTIC! Thanks for the pic and story.
ChrisG
[subject]
Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 16:11 (2945 days ago) @ WB
- No text -
gary's flat top tool, a suppressed 22 and
Dan Marchel
[subject]
Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 14:50 (2945 days ago) @ WB
CCI quiet equals a devastating combo in the war on tree rats