Subjective but they are cute, well made.

WB
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Thursday, August 16, 2018, 08:47 (2944 days ago)

Some guns I cannot explain their popularity. They just are gobbled up by a unique sect of the gun-guy arena. Like those .45/.410 revolvers. Take them or leave them old guys love 'em. They are fun and I've shot a couple of Taurus' myself. To me the S&W looks more versatile but that's another story...

The little tiny mini-revovlers. Freedom Arms used to make one and North American Arms has made and sold a bazillion of them. I've had one each in the .22 LR. Both keyholed badly at 10 ft. and with the teeny birdshead grip were unwieldy with no sights to speak of. NOW however they have been vastly refined and modified where I think they actually work for a very specialized role. I know many COPs who keep a .22 WMR NA for a total last ditch back up. I've always wanted one of the smallest .22 Short versions for the novelty.

A friend on a motorcycle ride the other day asked what I was packing. Actually i had only a pocket knife. He showed me his "motorcycle" gun. A .22 WMR version of some sort NA. It got me to thinking about them. They are well made and I like the mechanics. I see some models with grips that you can actually hold and they have REAL sights on them. For all that trouble they must be valid.

I know you closet gun nerds have to have some stashed away for fun or total last ditch. What are the thoughts? Gary can you see good enough to scratch on those still? I seem to remember at least one you prettied up with some personalized engraving.

I carry a LR version with Reederized flat points.

Darryl T.
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Thursday, August 16, 2018, 09:31 (2944 days ago) @ WB

I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of one.

Hey I like the sound of that. I wonder if

WB
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Thursday, August 16, 2018, 09:43 (2944 days ago) @ Darryl T.

the "jacketed" bullet .22 WMR fares better with such minimal rifling engagement compared to the old antique "heeled" .22 LR?

Bullets hitting sideways are pretty devastating

Jim Taylor
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Thursday, August 16, 2018, 10:27 (2944 days ago) @ WB

The old 200 gr. 38 round nose would keyhole out of the 2 inch 38's ... the were hell on dogs at close range.

A failed experiment but the .510 GNR revolver

WB
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Thursday, August 16, 2018, 11:10 (2944 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

and a LEE 500 gr. plain based buffalo gun slug, using a small amount of Unique powder, ran 700 fps and keyholed nicely into a 6" pattern at 30 yds. Recoil was a gentile slow prolonged push but the holes torn in the 55 gal. plastic drum full of sand were so big (1/2x1") that I was upset how much sand was leaking!

FA 22mag

james
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Thursday, August 16, 2018, 12:17 (2944 days ago) @ WB

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I use to carry the this FA`s 22mag when I worked in the city but when I retired I also retired the 4 shot to this buckle board....

better pic

james
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Thursday, August 16, 2018, 12:26 (2944 days ago) @ james

years ago I was told this (I think by Bob Baker but

Gary Reeder
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Thursday, August 16, 2018, 13:59 (2944 days ago) @ james

not sure). Two friends developed the small mini revolvers and developed a super strong large caliber revolver. They didn't get along well so they split up but both had patent rights to the mini and the large frame revolver. One fellow was the guy that had the North American mini revolver. The other was Wayne Baker who had the Freedom Arms mini revolver. The large revolver from NA Arms became the 450 Magnum, also called the 450 Express (and they are rare today. I have seen a couple).
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The one from Freedom Arms became the model 83 in 454. That is the story I was told many years ago, probably 20 or more. Second or even third hand info. Take it with a grain of salt.

The story is in Wayne Bakers book

Zach
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Thursday, August 16, 2018, 14:26 (2944 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

I’m not home now but can look it up later unless someone else does. Pretty sure Dick Casull was involved from the beginning. There was a split in the partners and Freedom Arms was formed, they had to change the design of the mini revolver to avoid patent issues. I think the idea was to build mini revolvers to build employee skill for the precision needed to make 454’s. It’s interesting history, I’m sure each of the sides had there own opinion about what transpired.

it would be good to hear the full story. The story I was

Gary Reeder
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Thursday, August 16, 2018, 15:30 (2944 days ago) @ Zach

told was at the Celebrity Handgun Hunt in '95 or '96 so my memory of the story may not be exactly right on.

Naa hog

Geoffrey Lee
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Thursday, August 16, 2018, 17:47 (2944 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

22 mag
Point blank range[image]

Whoo Yeah, get some!

WB
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Thursday, August 16, 2018, 19:53 (2944 days ago) @ Geoffrey Lee

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Nicely done

steve todd
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Thursday, August 16, 2018, 20:03 (2944 days ago) @ Geoffrey Lee

I've shot rattlesnakes with mine, and mice using the 22 mag shotshells, but yours could be a chapter in the book "The Most Dangerous Game".

xxxx

james
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Friday, August 17, 2018, 11:44 (2943 days ago) @ Geoffrey Lee

EXCELLENT................

I remember the adds in magazines for those belt buckles

WB
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Thursday, August 16, 2018, 14:01 (2944 days ago) @ james

and I had a couple big buckles. Boy could you scratch a car fender with them!

MY DEEP DEEP, REALLY DEEP CONCEALED

JT
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Thursday, August 16, 2018, 10:07 (2944 days ago) @ WB

SIXGUN IS A NAA 5-SHOT .22 SHORT LOADED WITH HPs

The mechanics are delightful, so cute. I'd wonder

WB
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Thursday, August 16, 2018, 10:31 (2944 days ago) @ JT

as to an ballistics remotely close to airgun levels but I totally understand. As youngsters we shot the Colt/Astra and Beretta Minx both in .22 Short with CCI Mini-mags and had a wonderful time. No charging chipmunks ever got us.

I cannot imagine, even in rifles, a .22 Short HP ever expanding but in seat of the pants testing as youth it seemed the HP short from a rifle "hit" harder. I was fascinated to find my Remington Speedmaster 552 held (25) of the shorts!

I have so many little piss ant guns stashed around it's

Gary Reeder
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Thursday, August 16, 2018, 10:29 (2944 days ago) @ WB

almost embarrassing. But one that I don't have is the little Mini Mag from NA. There for a while they had the little gun that came inserted in a belt buckle. It sold well at gun shows but for some odd reason the ATF considered the gun in the buckle as class 3. No idea why. Finally in the late 80s/early 90s they changed that rule. But I still see one every now and then embedded in some cowboy's belt buckle.

here is the one WB needs

Gary Reeder
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Thursday, August 16, 2018, 10:31 (2944 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

But in the .22 Short chambering...less recoil, faster shots.

WB
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Thursday, August 16, 2018, 11:33 (2944 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

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like this one

Gary Reeder
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Thursday, August 16, 2018, 11:10 (2944 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

I'm another Looney that has the buckle to go with mine.

Darryl T.
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Thursday, August 16, 2018, 12:09 (2944 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

It has scroll work, no name on it.
I like "piss ant"guns. Have a couple of the tip up barrel Berettas, short and LR. An Astra Cub silver plated 22 short. Never had a 25 auto, always gravitated to the 22s.

I could seriously collect .25 ACP's, so fun

WB
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Thursday, August 16, 2018, 12:27 (2944 days ago) @ Darryl T.

the varied versions and models. James Bond carried a Beretta .25 before trading up to the "Cannon" 7.65mm PPK. Walther brand alone is quite a niche. They even made several revolvers in .25 ACP. I saw this one guy on a goof made up a Ruger Blackhawk Stainless in .25 ACP, I think 8-shot. No word if he used a .257 stock barrel or the correct .251". I think he showed a target where it got a good group. Bowen made a J-frame full moon clip .25 ACP for fun (and LOTS of money I'm sure). I cannot fathom how the .25 ACP was well established and considered valid military side arm!

I do think the .25 ACP is easier to get 100% function from a teeny auto. No outside lubed heel bullet and centerfire reliability. But I like all .22's anyway.

BTW- Ditto for the .32 ACP. I shoot .32 ACP from my .300 GNR custom with the .327 Cyl. It does fine! LOL

when crime got so bad in Japan a few years back they issued

Gary Reeder
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Thursday, August 16, 2018, 13:39 (2944 days ago) @ WB

the cops there 25 ACP pistols. Don't know the brand. The Triad and other gangs had full auto Uzis and Macs and such and the cops had 25 autos. Bet that made them feel good.

I know of one fellow that has the double barrels of a 20

Gary Reeder
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Thursday, August 16, 2018, 14:16 (2944 days ago) @ WB

gauge Fox shotgun sleeved to 25 ACP for a unique double rifle. I guess he had a bad mouse problem.

I looked at a number of them but don't

Grover Sr
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Thursday, August 16, 2018, 13:10 (2944 days ago) @ WB

Think I could shoot one eorth a darn. I am leaning toward a Pocket Packer in 22 WMR.

When I was a series Bicyclist and Motorcycle rider, I

Jeff Spencer
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Thursday, August 16, 2018, 13:23 (2944 days ago) @ WB

always carried a Kel-Tech .380. ( After 4 back surgeries, have been forced to give up Bicycles and Motorcycles) That little .380 has never jammed, and is not much bigger then the small .22-.25 caliber mini guns.

I remember yours...

Df
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Thursday, August 16, 2018, 14:53 (2944 days ago) @ WB

Tyler grip and a trigger shoe!

I took the grips off once and the hairspring

WB
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Thursday, August 16, 2018, 16:09 (2944 days ago) @ Df

style mainspring popped out. For the life of me I could not get it back working. Shipped it to the maker and they told me they were "glued" in, don't do that again. lol

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