Gary didn't start the bottleneck revolver cartridges..
Huey
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Friday, October 19, 2018, 14:42 (2879 days ago)
But, he definitely revived the idea and has done more to exploit them on our behalf for the last 40 years.
So, with that in mind, I've decided I have to try a Reeder in the first bottleneck rounds. Mainly the 44-40 and 38-40, of course.
Seems right to try these old classics in modern, tight chambered guns. Like the 44 Special and 45 Colt, they are far more capable than original (or paper) ballistics would have us believe.
I probably won't be able to post loading data, but will post results as I progress.
Have discussed with Gary and hope to start soon.
.44-40 or fight
Greg M.
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Friday, October 19, 2018, 15:40 (2879 days ago) @ Huey
I picked up a 6.5" Old Vaquero in .44-40 LNIB for $400 last year. After reading the Lee Martin article about undersized throats/oversized barrels (http://singleactions.com/files/4440Vaqueros.pdf) and fearing I might have a dog, I took it to Gary for light work (PPP + red dot mount). Shoots like a dream with factory stuff, although regrettably I have yet to work up anything else for it.
...which is all to say that while my me-too post is useless in aiding your research, I heartily approve of the concept.
On a Reeder 44-40, I'm thinking a 5-Shot on a Ruger Midframe
Huey
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Friday, October 19, 2018, 15:48 (2879 days ago) @ Greg M.
That would keep the gun more to the original Colt size, but provide the added strength to venture out a bit with modern loads. It certainly wouldn't be as strong as a 5-Shot Blackhawk, but more than adequate for the pressure limits I'd push the 44-40 brass to.
I cheated. Not an original idea, this guy
WB
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Friday, October 19, 2018, 16:46 (2879 days ago) @ Huey
used to write for G&A, don't think it was Spankinburger (lol, sp?) a fellow with dark hair, where I first saw it in 1978-79. I took a second SBH .44 cylinder I fitted and self reamed it to .44-40, or .43-40 as Mr. Taffin put it.
My SBH has .431 or so throats so I just shoot .430" bullets loaded into .44-40 cases. Works just dandy. I went off the reservation and have some loaded up with H110 and 325 gr. cast plain base I bought from a Misfit who admitted his errors. I have redeemed him. lol
It still shoots the soft bullet Cowboy 200 gr. .427" loads fine. In FACT I accidentally shot a whole cylinder full of .44-40 through my Late Vaquero .45 Colt off the bench at 25 yds. Garnered a 4" group too! So my custom SBH shoots, all straight wall .44's including magnums and .44-40.
As to the .38-40 it is more tricky than the .44 WCF. I gave up on the .44 Colt Frontier barrel onto the OM Ruger like Taffin managed. Could never get the 2nd generation threads to match acceptably. So I just had Gary do me a 6-shot .38-40 on the old .357 Ruger chassis. It is a delight. I also have a larger chassis 6-shot in .401 GNR with an extra .40 S&W cylinder. Then a .401 Herter's with it's second .38-40 cylinder. The latter is actually, cylinder wise, not much if any bigger than the old Colt Peacemaker. The frame if beefy indeed. Dick Williams once borrowed the Herter's for an article on the .401 Herter. You can still find it on the net and a reference to Gary Reeder working over the .38-40 cylinder!
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I bought a Colt 44-40 Cylinder surplus from the defunked...
Huey
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Friday, October 19, 2018, 17:04 (2879 days ago) @ WB
Colt Custom Shot. Partially engraved and supposedly the engraving in progress when the plug was pulled.
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I fit the cylinder to my 7.5" Colt New Frontier 44 Special. It actually fits tighter than the original cylinder and has ideal .431" throats.
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The excess scribe work was removed and the cylinder was polished. It has since been blued and I look forward to trying it out. I got the cylinder for $150 due to it being partially engraved. To me, it added character, remained 100% Colt and will simply mark the empty chamber for safe carry.
Phil Spangenberger ;-)
ORG
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Friday, October 19, 2018, 17:29 (2879 days ago) @ WB
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I have no love for that yoyo. We had a booth at one of the
Gary Reeder
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Friday, October 19, 2018, 17:44 (2879 days ago) @ ORG
big cowboy shoots. Open Range, I think. Whichever one was in Phoenix. Spangenberger came by our booth, picked up one of our full engraved Ruger Vaqueros and looked at it, then looked up at ma and asked where were the Colts. I told him we didn't work on the Colts. He dropped the Vaquero and bounced it on the table and walked away. In my humble opinion, nothing but a prick.
He was ahead of his time . . .
ORG
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Friday, October 19, 2018, 18:59 (2879 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
. . .in the Old West shooting stuff, an early proponent of "Cowboy shooting" and "Mounted shooting". Dressed up like a "genuine cowboy" and apparently was one of the guys who "taught real cowboy shooting" to various movie stars. Was at one time considered an "expert" on nineteenth century weaponry and gear.
Unfortunately, he came to like to listen to himself talk and began to like his own writings better than anyone else's.
3RD GEN THREADS FIT RUGERS
JT
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Saturday, October 20, 2018, 08:13 (2878 days ago) @ WB
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I just bought two Colt New Frontier barrels..
Huey
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Saturday, October 20, 2018, 08:20 (2878 days ago) @ JT
Both 7.5" and new in package. One is 44 Special and the other 44-40. Hope to do a couple interesting projects with a certain gunsmith.
Whatever I had just didn't work out.
WB
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Saturday, October 20, 2018, 16:30 (2878 days ago) @ Huey
Maybe I bought the wrong one, but it all ended up nice. It really was just the novelty of it all to me.
Gary did not start bottle neck but his work great
Lynn
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Saturday, October 20, 2018, 07:26 (2878 days ago) @ Huey
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