with all the talk about some yoyo taking a Cape Buffalo with

Gary Reeder
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Saturday, October 20, 2018, 11:41 (2878 days ago)

a 10mm semi auto I asked our PH John Abraham about it, as all the laws I have read say it can't be done legally. This is John's answer to my questions...

Gary

Good to hear from you. I just got home, season is over.

Hunting with any semi auto in SA or any other African country is illegal. That will never change.
Strictly speaking a 10mm caliber is legal to hunt the big five as our law states it must be minimum 375 caliber. However some ordinances require a minimum muzzle energy which would rule out low velocity but bigger calibers such as 45 ACP etc.

We just had another fool shoot a buffalo with one of those new air guns. But the idiots videoed it and put it on social media so now both the hunter and the Outfitter are under investigation.

Best advice is to stick to dedicated hunting handguns.

Looking forward to our next hunt.
Your friend,
John

Here’s the guy

Jk
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Saturday, October 20, 2018, 11:50 (2878 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

10mm

okie
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Saturday, October 20, 2018, 18:49 (2878 days ago) @ Jk

The guy looks like a wannabe Ted Nugent to me, I mentioned this deal a few months ago on another handgun hunting sight and got ripped because I thought going after a cape buffalo with a 10mm automatic was some kind of stunt and I still believe that.

It's ballistically like Gary being back 150 yds. and

WB
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Saturday, October 20, 2018, 19:48 (2878 days ago) @ okie

corking it with his .41 GNR. I saw him myself pop a Bull as big as that one. One in the neck, bam, flop. I can't do that but "most" of the time HE sure can. I can testify to that, been at HHC several times he shot 1500+ lb. animals.

But it is a stunt for average (flattering myself) hand gunners like us.

as I have said a gazillion times, it is all bullet

Gary Reeder
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Saturday, October 20, 2018, 21:37 (2877 days ago) @ WB

placement. Pure and simple. I have used that 9" 41 GNR since I cut the barrel to 9" and chambered it to 41 GNR, and that was in 1979, so anyway you look at it that was 40 years ago. The barrel has been on a couple of frames and now rests on a G-2 frame. It has also gone thru several scopes thru the years. But as Scotty mentioned it is all in the ballistics. That 41 GNR will put a 200 grain bullet out of that barrel at a bit over 2000 fps. A 10mm, by the hottest figures I could find and from Double tap, which is what I heard the yoyo used on the cape Buffalo, it puts a 200 grain bullet out at 1250. Now that may not sound like a lot but it is a LOT of difference. The difference between a dead animal and a wounded pissed off animal.
I have been blessed with having a good friend, John Abraham, who was the African Professional Hunter of the year twice and the International Professional Hunter of the year also. He knows my capabilities probably better than I do as he has been my PH on 14 African safaris. With him passing up at least 10 buffalo before we went after the one I got, it was obvious he wanted the big buff as bad as I did. John was the one that got me on the record book kick years ago. He wasn't going to let me take a shot at any bull that wasn't top 3 in the world. So I owe everything to him for my Cape Buffalo. He put me in the right spot on the right buffalo. All I did was pull the trigger. Any Misfit on here could have done the same thing.

Back to bullet placement, I have my good days and my not so good days. Thru the last 8 or 10 years I have taken 13 large 1500 lb animals with that 41 GNR and one 6 X 6 bull elk, (not counting the 4 animals I took on the African hunt). Of those 14, 11 were good one shot kills, 3 were my screw ups.

Of those 3 screw ups, one was a thick haired Yak in a heavy rain. Shooting my 41 GNR before the hunt Kase spotted the scope moving in the rings. Rather than stopping to tighten the rings up and sighting it in, I chose to switch guns. I had an 8" 356 GNR barrel, almost exactly the same gun as my 41 GNR except stainless. I got my shot, a good broadside shot at about 50 yards. The heavy hair was rain soaked and the bullet didn't penetrate. The bull dropped and got back up real quick. I hit him again and again, finally putting him down on the 3rd shot. Again the gun did it's job, I just over estimated the density of that wet hair and screwed up.

Rain seems to be my downfall. Two other times I thought I had the gun sighted in but it was raining hard and I took it for granted the holes I saw in the target were mine. They weren't. One bull took 3 shots as the gun was off about a foot. And the other was the Nilgai that I took the shot on and the gun shot 18" low. The scope had blown on the previous shot and I didn't take the time to stand out in the rain the check it out. I took it for granted all was well. That Nilgai was hit 4 times in the chest and brisket before he ran and jumped in the pond at the HHC and drowned. I'll bet I am the only handgunner to drown a Nilgai.

So maybe the 10mm Buffalo hunter was having a good day but anyway you look at it, his gun was greatly underpowered for Cape Buffalo and you always, always want the shot on an animal to be a good one and to put it down quickly and humanely. That means having a gun and cartridge that will do that cleanly. It all comes down to that.

I just have to imagine a 2" square on the animal's neck and

Gary Reeder
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Saturday, October 20, 2018, 22:14 (2877 days ago) @ WB

put the bullet in that little spot. Probably 90% of my shots are standing offhand, but getting used to that is the part that takes time. The trick is being confident with your handgun. The rest is easy.

Uncle Ted got Razor to where he is...good friends.

Woody
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Sunday, October 21, 2018, 05:22 (2877 days ago) @ okie

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THEY are good friends...I'm just a regular guy

Woody
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Sunday, October 21, 2018, 07:35 (2877 days ago) @ Woody

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Any word of how John's son is doing now?

Huey
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Saturday, October 20, 2018, 11:51 (2878 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

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nothing lately. It is going to take some time to

Gary Reeder
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Saturday, October 20, 2018, 12:43 (2878 days ago) @ Huey

get back to normal.

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