.357, what for?

Tom
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Sunday, November 04, 2018, 17:11 (2862 days ago)

Most of you suggested I not use my .357 for black bear defense, some on other forums have posted that the .357 is too small for deer. Not for bear, too small for deer, just what is it used for, in the world of hunting? I know it is one of the most reliable rounds for self defense against people with the right load. As for black bear, I was talking about a defensive situation, not hunting one and the load would be 180 gr hard cast. If I want to perforate paper, or kick up tin cans there are cheaper options, ammunition wise. I have 2 S&W's, a Model 19 and a 586, beginning to wonder WTF they are good for.

They will kill deer

Randy Barnett
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Sunday, November 04, 2018, 17:20 (2862 days ago) @ Tom

Nice

james
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Sunday, November 04, 2018, 18:49 (2862 days ago) @ Randy Barnett

Randy, Always liked this photo...good one

Agree with Randy

Alcorn
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Sunday, November 04, 2018, 18:52 (2862 days ago) @ james

I have killed deer with 357. Deer don't have claws and fangs.

some deer do

Gary Reeder
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Sunday, November 04, 2018, 20:19 (2862 days ago) @ Alcorn

it all comes down to 2 words, bullet placement

Gary Reeder
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Sunday, November 04, 2018, 18:50 (2862 days ago) @ Randy Barnett

a shot in the ass is a shot in the ass, whether it is a 44 magnum or a 357 Magnum. The 357 Mag requires perfect placement for a good clean one shot kill. Anything else means a long tracking session.

In Al Goerg's book he relates a story from D.B. Wesson of S&W. When the 357 Magnum first came out he used it to take Moose, antelope, bull elk, and even a grizzly with the then brand new 357 Magnum, Each kill was a single shot. Now, I realize the early loadings were a bit stiff, one loading was even called the 357 Atomic. But still it is a 357 Magnum. I don't understand how he did this but assuming each story was true it came down to 2 words. Bullet placement.

I tried out a 6" Python with open sights on deer way back in the late 60s and the only thing I can say was my bullet placement must have been off as each deer I hit went down and immediately got back up again and hauled ass. Finally after spending full days tracking wounded deer, I gave up on the 357. Now if you have an 8 3/8" Model 27 like Randy Barnett has above and you have a scope on it to help you put the bullet where it needs to be, then I say go for it. Or a Contender with a scope. But other than that unless you are a really good shot and can put that bullet within an inch of where it should be no matter the range, the weather or the type of terrain, then leave the 357 Magnum home.

Dan Wesson

Randy Barnett
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Sunday, November 04, 2018, 19:10 (2862 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

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I wondered about that. The barrel looked a bit slab sided

Gary Reeder
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Sunday, November 04, 2018, 20:20 (2862 days ago) @ Randy Barnett

to be a Smith.

THE MOST IMPORTANT IS

JT
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Monday, November 05, 2018, 12:22 (2862 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

1) BULLET PLACEMENT
2) BULLET PLACEMENT
3) BULLET PLACEMENT
4) SEE I,2,3

Well like you said person defends from

Blake
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Sunday, November 04, 2018, 17:26 (2862 days ago) @ Tom

The two legged predators. Good for coyote raccoons. It has its place, there is no one perfect gun. You need a bunch of guns to cover All needs! I personally believe you need small medium and large caliber in everything.
Revolver, automatic, single shot, bolt action, etc

I have a 19

Grover Sr
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Sunday, November 04, 2018, 19:55 (2862 days ago) @ Tom

That I use for personal carry. I sent my SBH to Gary for a Southern Pride conversion in 356 GNR but with an additional cylinder in .357. the .357 is a definite man stopper and up to 50 yatds a decent deer round. 357 is relatively cheap to reload and shoot for practice and improving shootong skills. With proper bullet placement it can probably kill anything on ourcontinent but why not improve your odds and chances with something more potent if you are heading into bear country? My next build is gonna be a 429 GNR with a 44 mag second cylinder tjen a 455 GNR with a 45 LC cylinder. As an urban self defense weapon IMHO thr 357 is ideal.

TWO PART ARTICLE

JT
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Sunday, November 04, 2018, 22:09 (2862 days ago) @ Tom

"DON'T SELL THE .357 SHORT" IN "GUNS" NEXT YEAR.

I also have a 586 with a six inch

Larry Fry
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Monday, November 05, 2018, 11:33 (2862 days ago) @ Tom

barrel. I like mine with 158 grain HP for two legged predators. I keep it upstairs where any shot will pass through into the ground in front of the house. I have killed deer with it in Georgia when I first bought it. Shots were 20 yards to about 35 or 40 yards max. I used 180 grain castcore bullets and hits were in the spine in the neck or in the ear in one case. I agree with the folks below, bad shot placement means a long trek in finding the animal. I finally gave up and went to a rifle.

I agree with bullet placement

Da Duke
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Monday, November 05, 2018, 14:30 (2862 days ago) @ Larry Fry

I have used Super blackhawks and 8" Dan Wesson model 15-2. A Marlin 94 in .357 and killed deer with them. I use hard cast long flat nose bullets. Mucho penetration out to 60 yards. Haven't shot one further. 90 yards with a Contender 357 Max.

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