those that have 10mm autos, a little advice here

Gary Reeder
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Saturday, November 24, 2018, 14:25 (2842 days ago)

stay away, far away from Wilson Combat magazines. We have had nothing but problems with them. They use a flat follower that jams down in the mag walls causing constant misfeeds, and not just in our custom 10mms but in standard factory 10mms. For their price, they should be perfect. They are far from it. Here is the Wilson mag..
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No matter what your semi auto is, try to stay with the magazines that have the rounded follower like this one from Rock Island..
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That was one of the selling points about the old Star PD. It never jammed with factory mags due to their rounded follower..
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The 38 Super and 10mm autos are really picky about their mags. The 45 not so much. But when buying magazines for your auto, try to stay with mags that have the rounded follower, and stay away from the mags with the flat followers, no matter what the brand is.

Good to know Gary, thanks.

SPB
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Saturday, November 24, 2018, 15:21 (2842 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

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So what brands have this rounded edge follower?

Woody
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Saturday, November 24, 2018, 15:22 (2842 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

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in the past Mec-Gar has had it but their newest

Gary Reeder
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Saturday, November 24, 2018, 15:42 (2842 days ago) @ Woody

magazines show a semi rounded follower, which is still better than a flat one. Mec Gar is the company that makes probably 70% of the magazines for the various semi autos. The one I showed and one that we have been putting in our custom 10mms is made by Rock Island. There may be more but 10mm and 38 Super mags are not something every distributor carries and gun shops buy from distributors. Para used to sell magazines with the rounded follower with their 10mms but they have been absorbed by Remington so I don't know how that will play out.

+1

Greg M.
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Saturday, November 24, 2018, 15:58 (2842 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

I got a Rock Island GI 10mm for a good price a couple years back. It runs like a top with the factory mag. The only criticism I have to offer of Rock Island is that most of their guns ship with only one magazine. I got some Tripp 10-rd Cobra mags with the flat Wilson-style follower -- jammed reliably. Then I got two lightly used Wilson Combat mags from eBay (luckily paying below full tariff) -- they have a concave plastic follower rather than the flat steel in Gary's example, but still jam. Wonder why the guy who had them before me sold them?

Bummed that I sank around $100 into expensive "custom manufacturer" magazines that do not work. There's probably a business opportunity for somebody more motivated and entrepreneurial than me in making rounded followers...

Also Gary was too gentlemanly to footstomp this, so I will

Greg M.
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Saturday, November 24, 2018, 16:05 (2842 days ago) @ Greg M.

Just because something is more expensive does not make it better. I find it funny that some look down on Rock Island because their products are priced affordably. I can't cast shade on Wilson Combat other than to note that their magazines don't work in my Rock Island 10mm. Maybe they do work in a $4000 WC 10mm. I'll never know because I'm never going to buy one.

My biggest gun pet peeve is the elitist attitudes...

Huey
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Saturday, November 24, 2018, 16:46 (2842 days ago) @ Greg M.

No secret I like the high grade and custom guns. Have been blessed with more than I deserve.

But, have my share of el cheapo guns too. You are correct in saying that the most money doesn't always bring the most gun.

If someone buys a used Heritage and is happy with it, then I am happy for them. I figure I don't know that persons history or situation. Be damned if I'm going to belittle them.

The internet authorities likely have never owned the guns they bash or boast about.

I agree Huey, buy what you can afford

BlackPete
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Saturday, November 24, 2018, 17:20 (2842 days ago) @ Huey

And serves the purpose you bought it for.

I had a young fellow call a while back and ask me

Gary Reeder
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Saturday, November 24, 2018, 17:42 (2842 days ago) @ Huey

what did I consider the best 1911 on the market in a lightweight commander. I told him I thought the Ruger lightweight commander was the most dependable commander on the market. He immediately got all huffy and asked me why I didn't say the Kimber was the best. I told him because it isn't. The older kimbers were great guns. The newer ones are sloppy and not at all as smooth and fit as the older guns. When you have a company that needs to put out nearly 1000 guns a month just to meet demands you are going to cut corners and in my humble opinion that is what Kimber has done. We don't even carry them in our gun shop anymore due to customers bringing them back in with feeding and reliability problems. Before he moved to Phoenix Kase wouldn't touch a Kimber due to their sloppyness. And they are not the only ones. The Remington R1 was so horrible they finally pulled it off the market. The new owners are bringing it back out using Para slides and parts from their buy out of Para recently. The new head honcho at Remington has his act together and will bring them back to where they should be, but the older R1s were junk. But back to the phone call. The fellow got all pissy and told me I didn't know anything and that I was full of shit and hung up.
What this is getting at is because a gun is a high priced gun doesn't make it any better than a lower priced gun. The Rock Island that a lot of people put down because they aren't made in the states is one of the best buys on the market. They give you all the special features and are still under $500. And the people that put the Rock Island down because it isn't made here brag about their Springfield Armory that is made in Brazil. So forget where a gun is made and look at the gun itself. You can spend a lot less and get a good reliable 1911.

I was just bashed by a fairly well known gun "expert"

Huey
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Saturday, November 24, 2018, 17:54 (2842 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

For posting that my Uberti Flattop Target Revolvers out shoot my Freedom Arms. He patted himself on the back, relived his glory days a bit and told me it wasn't possible.

No matter. I do all this for fun. Refuse to let the self proclaimed experts take the fun out of it.

Mag

Clint H
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Saturday, November 24, 2018, 17:54 (2842 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

Try the kim pro tac mag for the 10 mm. They have always work well for me. One will cost around $25.00. They have some kind of teflon coated follower that is rounded on the front of the mag.

Rock island 10 mm commander

Twf
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Sunday, November 25, 2018, 08:13 (2841 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

Just bought a RI 10 mm commander, do you have any experience on the quality/ problems with these guns

the Rock Island guns are excellent guns. For

Gary Reeder
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Sunday, November 25, 2018, 12:11 (2841 days ago) @ Twf

a while before we started using our own frames we used a lot of the RIA frames on our custom guns. Their frames are as near perfect as any I have seen. `The company that makes the Rock Island guns makes guns for several other companies and they are all top notch.

I generally stay away from all Wilson products...I’ve used

Drdougrx
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Sunday, November 25, 2018, 12:19 (2841 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

Or tried quite a few over my lifetime...magazines, mag wells, group gripper and have always found them lacking.

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