Why are bolt action AR's so expensive???

WB
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Monday, March 04, 2019, 18:00 (2739 days ago)

I'd think (and have seen at least one) that you could do away with the gas system completely and maybe use the buffer system for a "bolt return", use the whole rig as a "straight pull" repeater. No hassles with ammo power or specifics, add a handle to the bolt and have at it. You could have lots of caliber options then and it would be just as suitable for hunting applications. I was thinking about Doug's Blaser which is basically that same thing. Although a "collet" bolt head rather than a rotary as the AR platform. Blaser bolt handle moves maybe 1/4" releasing the collet and then it's a straight pull on rails. It's goofy as crap with the mag and trigger connected but it flat works.

There would be a whole list of parts you'd not need that should offset the costs some!

Tacti-cool!

Shawn Davis
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Monday, March 04, 2019, 19:53 (2739 days ago) @ WB

And slick marketing to those who fancy themselves long-rangers! Sadly, it seems to work too - as long as they're chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor!

Seems some other follks agree....

WB
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Monday, March 04, 2019, 20:55 (2739 days ago) @ Shawn Davis

At least on some level. I bet that bolt alone costs more than my entire gun.

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Give me a model 70 or m77 any day

Sid R
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Monday, March 04, 2019, 21:25 (2739 days ago) @ WB

the rest is just B.S. I have ruger that will out shoot 700's any day of the week. I have a couple lever actions that will hold the're own too .

Don't get me wrong...my bolt guns are M98 Mausers

WB
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Monday, March 04, 2019, 22:00 (2739 days ago) @ Sid R

I mostly like old stuff. But the AR's would interest me once more if they were simplified, were more versatile in loads, cheaper, and didn't sling my reloading brass into the next county dented. Walnut and blue carbon steel is expensive. Melted soda cans and plastic are not. GNR is right, it's trendy driven. Boutique guns, but the basic platform is inherently accurate so it's an easy sell. Buy this week and get free tactical sunglasses and a black t-shirt!

and now that you mention it, look at the tactical

Gary Reeder
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Monday, March 04, 2019, 23:13 (2739 days ago) @ WB

sunglasses. Some retail for well over $300. Most wholesale for well over $100. For sunglasses! But the snipers wear them and the guys in the sandbox wear the Wiley X sunglasses so the wannabees have to have them. And gun stuff isn't the only thing. Look at the kids these days that have to wear $400 tennis shoes because some black rapper wears them. And the pants down below the crack in their ass, again blame that on the black rappers. To me, in my humble opinion, the black rappers have ruined a whole generation of young people.

If the platform is so inherently accurate,

IC
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Tuesday, March 05, 2019, 08:38 (2739 days ago) @ WB

why does it seem to cost more to get to that accuracy, compared to many bolt rifles?

On a $400 budget I can either buy a used

WB
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Tuesday, March 05, 2019, 12:40 (2738 days ago) @ IC

Or build a cheapy AR that shoots 5-shot 1 MOA easily. My “Hillary” HBAR I went way over on at $600 will shoot under MOA with the right loads.

the same thing that has been going on as long as we have

Gary Reeder
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Monday, March 04, 2019, 21:26 (2739 days ago) @ WB

been here. When you were younger and watched the cowboys on the tube, I bet you wanted a chrome plated 45 and spangled holster and belt like the cowboys did. Then you watched Gunsmoke and wanted a rig just like James Arness used. How many time did you practice quick draw in front of the mirror. Years later John Wayne spun a Winchester with a big loop on it while riding his horse and how many people wanted that big loop and hit themselves in the face trying to spin it. Don't forget how Dirty harry shot the bad guys with his Model 29 44 Magnum while snarling "you feel lucky punk?"and we all had to have one. Like a true blue moron I paid $450 for a S&W Model 29 that retailed for $265. I was so pissed at myself that I hated that gun and sold it to some other dummy. When Eastwood was in The Gauntlet everybody had to have the 2½" Model 66 S&W. Even now years later the prices on the snubbie Model 66 are still sky high. Then Eastwood used the Auto Mag in Sudden Impact and it took off like a rocket. I had 3 or 4 Auto Mags that I paid retail for ($269) and all of a sudden they were worth $1500. The Wildey did the same. Used in one movie and it was famous. A couple of movies with the good guys holding off hordes of gooks, slants, slopes, chinks and all the other names that end in S and the AR-15 became a household word. They had been out for 35 years but all of a sudden everyone had to have one or three.
People, for the most part, are like Lemmings. One jumps off the cliff and the rest think holy shit he is my hero so I need to follow him. A couple of wannabe sniper gun writers all dressed up in camo with blackened faces did big articles on the long range sniper rifles and that along with a couple of movies about snipers doing long range shooting in the sandbox and all of a sudden AR-10s were the vogue in the highly overrated 6.5 Creedmoor and every one with visions of himself as a sniper had to have one. To add dried cow pies to the fire the precision rifles came about loaded down with gimmicks and the young wannabe snipers were paying $3000 or better for them and about that much for the scopes.

Now the precision rifles are available in 22 Magnum (I have to admit the 22 Magnum is one of my all time favorite cartridges and I will probably have to have one, the one at our gun shop has been wooing me for a couple of weeks now). I sorta think maybe in another life I was a poacher of the highest degree. There is even a small "sniper" rifle in 22 LR in tiny form aimed at 5 and 6 year old future snipers. It is made by Cricket and is well made with a bipod and sniper type scope. The neighborhood cats don't have a chance.

So what all this adds up to is we are creatures of habit and we tend to follow our heroes on the silver screen or in real life. Get used to it booby, that is America.

ALMOST DEAD ON BUT

JT
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Monday, March 04, 2019, 22:17 (2739 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

JOHN WAYNE FIRST SPUN THAT WINCHESTER IN "STAGECOACH" 1939 MORE THAN 15 YEARS BEFORE MATT DILLON. HE WAS STANDING IN THE ROAD AT THE TIME. 30 YEARS LATER HE SPUN IT ON HIS HORSE IN "TRUE GRIT"

Remember John I was overseas in a military academy until

Gary Reeder
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Monday, March 04, 2019, 23:05 (2739 days ago) @ JT

1961 so a lot of the early western movies I have never seen. Plus I wasn't even born in 1939. My Mother was in her early teens then. Also no TV in Italy in the late 50s and early 60s, at least not for me. I never saw a TV until we moved back to the states in mid '61. I only saw True Grit about a year or so ago on the western channel. Most of what I know about the early westerns I learned from you.

I FIRST SAW TV AT

JT
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Tuesday, March 05, 2019, 10:35 (2739 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

THE LOCAL FIRE STATION. THE FIREMEN LET ALL THE NEIGHBORHOOD KIDS COME IN AND WATCH. AROUND 1947-48.

Almost true for most people Gary.

Sid R
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Monday, March 04, 2019, 22:50 (2739 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

I'm not a model 29 fan but a good hand gun. I have 22 lever actions and not one a WINCHESTER or big loop. I have learned on my own what works for me. Yes, WB Mausers are good rifles as many others. I don't hold much faith in semi auto's but I have a DPMS and a Glock. I put my money on Thompson, Ruger and Old Marlins. Yes I've had other makes that were good. Ithaca, weather by and Brownings. And Savage. But my go to for ruggedness and reliability made in America Ruger and Marlin are where my poor but puts his money.

They are fun

Randy Barnett
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Tuesday, March 05, 2019, 14:31 (2738 days ago) @ WB

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