Natural Selection of Cartridges...
Huey
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Wednesday, April 10, 2019, 13:17 (2701 days ago)
Been several good cartridge threads on here over the last few months. It got me to thinking about just Lever Action Guns.
I wonder how many cartridges have been introduced or modified to dethrone such greats as the old 30-30 WCF, 35 Rem and 45-70 Gov't. I can remember the 7x30 Waters, 307 Win, 308 Marlin, 356 Win, 375 Win, 444 Marlin and 450 Marlin. There was also a 338 made by Marlin for a while.
Most have come and gone while the old reliable, time proven work horses continue to survive. Marlin has announced the return of the 444 Marlin.
I believe you could write a book on just the Wildcats the old 30-30 has produced. I do realize the 30-30 itself was created by necking down the 38-55 WCF.
Some things just seem like they're here to stay with good reason...
I guess I am a bit guilty of some of those wildcats
Gary Reeder
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Wednesday, April 10, 2019, 13:28 (2701 days ago) @ Huey
on the 30-30 case...like the..
221 Falcon
241 Falcon
256 Falcon
6.5 GNR
7 GNR
30 GNR
300 GNR
330 Falcon
338 Falcon
355 GNR
361 Falcon
400 GNR
all based on the 30-30 brass.
My personal opinion, but some of your very best...
Huey
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Wednesday, April 10, 2019, 13:42 (2701 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
I'm a fan of the Contender and they are perfect for that frame.
Very determined to try more of those in Contender Carbines too.
The 338 Falcon is calling my name in a 14" and 23".
Sean and I are working hard trying to get
Gary Reeder
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Wednesday, April 10, 2019, 14:27 (2701 days ago) @ Huey
all these new ones finished and the loading data done. I don't like to put Sean in a position of having to Afro engineer brass to do the data and would rather wait until we get the dies in to send him a barrel and the dies. The problem there is Hornady is behind on our dies and we need to finalize the data we have and get it to the printer to have the 3rd edition of my reloading manual done. So we can't do one without the other and the other is running way behind.
Lever gun cartridges
Alcorn
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Wednesday, April 10, 2019, 16:54 (2701 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
I can't shoot a high powered rifle, because of a bad shoulder. That does not meet I can't follow rifle technology. I really like lever action rifles. One of the first deer I killed was with a Savage 99 in 300 Savage. Marlin 338 is one of the few true Elk rifles in a lever action. I own 13 GNR wildcats. Three of my favorites are based on 30-30. 7 GNR fireform with 7X 30 Waters, 30 GNR fireform with 30-30, 355 GNR fireform with 30-30. I like to keep it simple.
In my opinion,
Abin Sur
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Wednesday, April 10, 2019, 18:00 (2701 days ago) @ Alcorn
Like anyone cares anyway, but the 400 GNR is a very logical and Levergun cartridge.
In some ways a miniature, 45-70.
Wasn't the 30-30 designed
Leadhound
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Wednesday, April 10, 2019, 16:40 (2701 days ago) @ Huey
As a dual fuel cartridge, smokeless from the factory but could be reloaded with more popular and readily available black powder? Maybe that's what dug out its foothold in history. Sounds good anyway! LOL!
Conflicting stories and I'm not sure. I've read...
Huey
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Wednesday, April 10, 2019, 16:53 (2701 days ago) @ Leadhound
That it was reloaded with Black Powder and it fouled terribly. Also, that's the pedigree of the 32 Special. Supposedly, it handled Black Powder better.
The 30-30 WCF was the first smokeless powder sporting cartridge as far as I can tell. The event of stronger steel barrels made this possible. The 30-40 Krag preceded the 30-30 with smokeless powder, but was a military cartridge.
All of this from memory and not written in stone. But, I believe it's correct...
wasn't the 8mm Lebel the first smokeless rifle cartridge?
Gary Reeder
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Wednesday, April 10, 2019, 17:54 (2701 days ago) @ Huey
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Dunno about foreign guns, maybe so...
Huey
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Wednesday, April 10, 2019, 18:02 (2701 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
I was just referring to our native offerings. You quite possibly are right. JT might know too.
YES AS IN SO MANY OTHER WAYS THE
JT
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Wednesday, April 10, 2019, 21:21 (2701 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
FRENCH LED THE WAY. IT WAS FRENCH UNDER CHARLES MARTEL, CHARLES THE HAMMER, WHO STOPPED THE ISLAMIC FORCES FROM INVADING EUROPE.
Thanks Huey and JT, been many moons since I read of it
Leadhound
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Wednesday, April 10, 2019, 19:43 (2701 days ago) @ Huey
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AS HUEY SAYS THAT WAS THE .32 SPECIAL.
JT
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Wednesday, April 10, 2019, 17:19 (2701 days ago) @ Leadhound
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JUST THIS WEEK I RELOADED
JT
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Wednesday, April 10, 2019, 17:24 (2701 days ago) @ Huey
600 .35 REMINGTON AND 800 .30-30s. LOOKING HARD AT A COUPLE MORE OLDER MARLINS --A STRAIGHT GRIPPED .30-30 AND A PISTOL GRIP .35 TO GO WITH THE ONES I ALREADY HAVE. SIMPLY GREAT LEVERGUN.S
JT, have you tried Leverevolution Powder yet?
Huey
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Wednesday, April 10, 2019, 18:27 (2701 days ago) @ JT
I'm getting great ballistics. High velocity, low spreads and superb accuracy.
In my Ruger #1 30-30 WCF I can get within 80 fps of the original 300 Savage ballistics. With the extremely high B.C. of the Hornady SST Bullets, 100+ yard Energy is just as high.
Great for the mild mannered cartridge...
I HAVE NOT. I'M USUALLY GOING
JT
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Wednesday, April 10, 2019, 21:22 (2701 days ago) @ Huey
THE OTHER WAY THESE DAYS LOOKING FOR MILDER SHOOTING LOADS.
Marlins are sturdy and handy.
Sid R
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Wednesday, April 10, 2019, 21:29 (2701 days ago) @ Huey
I can't seem to keep a 30/30 though. I always buy a neglected one for a hundred bucks and fix it up and someone offers me cash for it I cannot refuse. I have my eye on an 336DL With a 24" barrel. I'm personally fond of the 35 Remington.
I don’t think I ever bought in to the best wiz bang cartridg
Blake
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Friday, April 12, 2019, 04:33 (2700 days ago) @ Huey
Of all time hype. That being said I fell head over ass for both the romance of Africa and the American west and frontier. It was 4 bore, and Nitro Express rounds, the Sharps black powder rounds, the 38-40, 44-40, 45colt. As I grew up this hasn’t changed but it is the “calipers “ I have a love affair with not so much the cartridge. I have more .25’s than any other 9.3’ next but I have hunted with and killed more game with .41 and .45 than all others combined. The really remarkable thing about Gary is he has Never promoted any single cartridge as the wiz bang do all. All his cartridges are centered around more options for the handguner. We live in the hay day of ammunition! I have become a convert to the G2 platform. For me Gary’s Falcon’s are about the best balance of powder capacity you could want in the G2. Now just pick a favorite caliber and off you go thanks to Gary. And I truly mean that, Thank You Gary For What You Do. The 361Falcon is looking like the perfect round in the G2 for me. First time ever the bullet I wanted to use in a cartridge was the one the gun liked the best, and is perfectly designed for its velocity. After 58 years. I Got one right the first time LOL.
thanks Blake. Like you I tire easily of the "fastest",
Gary Reeder
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Friday, April 12, 2019, 12:50 (2699 days ago) @ Blake
"most powerful", "flattest shooting" and all that crap. That means nothing if the gun won't shoot straight or the guy behind the trigger can't shoot a decent group. It is all hype and fluff to sell the product and unfortunately the young shooters are falling for it.