Why are chambers so different than factory

WB
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Thursday, June 06, 2019, 06:54 (2643 days ago)

.44-40 and .38-40 ammo. They differ by a mile and my sizer dies do not mimic factory ammo. I just think it's odd, and nobody ever says anything about it. This .44-40 is tapered, you can feel it but hard to see. Perfectly good reload that does not get worked as much as factory ammo, all blown out.

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Are you referring to the profile of the chamber matching

Asa
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Thursday, June 06, 2019, 07:59 (2643 days ago) @ WB

the profile of factory ammo and profile of resized brass? That has been the problem for a long time if so. Not sure if it was difference in opinion or people without the correct specs. I believe this is what caused these two cartridges to fall to the wayside at least in part, the thin brass that is used and the excessive working of the brass. I have read about others using tighter chambers and reloading dies cut to those chambers with great success in extending brass life.

Yes, it varies with maker. I guess there is such a

WB
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Thursday, June 06, 2019, 10:30 (2643 days ago) @ Asa

wide spectrum from minimum dimension to the maximum allowed. The factory obviously wants to stick to minimum for production ammo.

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if you look up the ballistics/specs of the cartridge they

Gary Reeder
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Thursday, June 06, 2019, 10:58 (2643 days ago) @ WB

show this cartridge, with no taper visible.
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I've found the same as WB with both rounds..

Huey
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Thursday, June 06, 2019, 11:18 (2643 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

Neither of which I have much experience with. But, just bought a rare octagon TC Contender in 38-40. Starting with Starline Brass was an eye opener. When fired the shoulder moved forward a tremendous amount. I was concerned until I realized my Lee Dies matched the chamber perfectly. It was the brass that was wrong.

Found the same with both my Colt New Frontier and Uberti Flattop Target 44-40s. Shoulder moved forward and as Gary said, become more of a taper. But, reloaded ammo worked great in both guns.

I am ashamed to say I avoided these two fine cartridges for years. But, Starline solved the brass issue and both make fine hunting rounds when properly loaded bullets.

ANOTHER PROBLEM ESPECIALLY WITH

JT
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Thursday, June 06, 2019, 11:29 (2643 days ago) @ Huey

THE .44 WCF IS THE GREAT DIVERSITY OF CHAMBER THROAT SIZES. I HAVE HAD EXAMPLES RUNNING FROM .425", A MERWIN/HULBERT TO .432", A COLT BISLEY. THE .38-40s DID NOT HAVE THIS MALADY TO ANY GREAT EXTENT. WITH PROPER LOADS, PROPER CHAMBERS, ETC ETC ETC, BOTH WILL SHOOT EXCEPTIONALLY WELL. MY PRE-WWI .38-40 NEW SERVICE IS A ONE-HOLER AT 20 YARDS.

I had an old New Service, 38 W.C.F.

WB
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Thursday, June 06, 2019, 12:21 (2643 days ago) @ JT

That had 0.398” throats and a .403” bore. My bullets were .0401”. It shot horribly, worse than my poor skills even. My first old Colt revolver and Lee loader which came with the kit. It fostered a volume of research in the pre-internet days. Some good articles were found in magazines and catalogs, manuals. Things took a little more time, effort back then. I used emery cloth wrapped around a wood dowel in a corded electric drill. No such thing as cordless. I forget what the calipers read, .401 or .403” when I got through opening the cylinder throats. I basically polished them to size. Shooting validated my efforts. Groups were very acceptable to me.

The few factory 180 gr. tightly bottleneck ctgs. I could find looked totally different than my more sloping Lee reloads. But both chambered.

The Ruger Buckeyes had that problem...

Huey
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Thursday, June 06, 2019, 13:17 (2643 days ago) @ WB

Gary currently has mine converting it to 5-Shot with his tight custom chambers. I think it will easily match a 41 Magnum.

The Lee Collet Crimp Die makes the difference in loading this cartridge. It crimps the many 10mm bullets without requiring a cannelure.

THE LEE COLLETT CRIMP DIE/FACTORY

JT
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Thursday, June 06, 2019, 14:45 (2643 days ago) @ Huey

CRIMP DIE IS INVALUABLE. I JUST LOADED 500 .357 SIGS AND USED IT ON EVERYONE. ALSO FIND THEIR UNIVERSAL EXPANDING DIE TO BE ESSENTIAL WITH MANY CARTRIDGES. FOR THE .357 SIG I DO NOT EXPAND THE THROATS JUST "KISS" THEM ENOUGH TO START THE BULLET. DON'T NEED TO DO THIS WITH THE 147 HORNADY BOATTAIL 9MMs.

It's an exceptional product...

Huey
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Thursday, June 06, 2019, 14:57 (2643 days ago) @ JT

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I got lucky on the 44-40 throats...

Huey
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Thursday, June 06, 2019, 12:54 (2643 days ago) @ JT

My Colt has .431" throats and the Uberti is only .0005" smaller. I use .431" cast in both. The cartridges chamber tightly in both guns.

The Uberti is the most fascinating revolver I own and shoots nearly everything into 1" or less. The Colt hovers around 1.5" at best.

I'm using data from you article and Dave Scovill's book. I get around 1200 fps with the 220 GT Hollow Point over 2400. Mushrooms to nickel size at 50 yards.

Shooting the Uberti Flattop Target Revolvers is Therapy #1 for me...

our problem here is rim thickness. I have found

Gary Reeder
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Thursday, June 06, 2019, 12:57 (2643 days ago) @ Huey

thicknesses varying as much as .011. And it is hard setting headspace at .004 when it varies that much.

You say that, but the Colt-Ruger Hybrid made Reeder #26...

Huey
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Thursday, June 06, 2019, 13:07 (2643 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

The last six revolvers have set a new standard. Many were the first of their chambering.

None have been short of perfect tolerances. I doubt you have a more O.C.D. Customer...

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