.44 Mag Levergun suggestions? A friend is in the market.
ChrisG
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Wednesday, July 03, 2019, 09:41 (2615 days ago)
He's thinking of a new Miroku Winchester 92 or a used Marlin 94. All thoughts / opinions appreciated, even other brands and models. My new Mountie purchase I guess gave him the bug for another levergun...
personally I would go for the Marlin, but Miroku
Gary Reeder
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Wednesday, July 03, 2019, 09:59 (2615 days ago) @ ChrisG
makes some fine guns and have for many years, the over & under Brownings for instance. I haven't seen the Miroku Winchesters yet so I really don't have an opinion on them. Other than that the Marlin would be the only way to go.
Thanks Gary. Are there certain years / versions you
ChrisG
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Wednesday, July 03, 2019, 10:47 (2615 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
like better than others?
Does the Jap Winny have a tang safety?!
WB
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Wednesday, July 03, 2019, 11:58 (2615 days ago) @ ChrisG
I had a 1886 Jap .45-90 and that ruined it for me. Fantastic quality and gun but every time I touched it I got pissed. Just me.
I know Marlins can handle longer bulleted reloads and still feed well. Maybe GNR can shed light on that trait. I have one he converted to the .454 Casull based .429 GNR and they handle longer rounds. I have a buddy that has bought a Henry .38/357 and it is absolutely choking on the rounds he initially purchased for it. I told him it was very likely the ammo and to try a different shape bullet ammo and shorter or longer. But he's already disappointed, not a reloader, just a consumer. I've never had any issues with Marlins myself. My 2 cents.
Yes they have the tang safety.
ChrisG
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Wednesday, July 03, 2019, 12:13 (2615 days ago) @ WB
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Chris, don't let that turn you off. Anything Miroku makes
Gary Reeder
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Wednesday, July 03, 2019, 13:42 (2615 days ago) @ ChrisG
is top of the line guns.
Agreed...I just got on the waiting list for an 1895...
Huey
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Wednesday, July 03, 2019, 14:07 (2615 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
In 405 Winchester. It has the tang safety too, but I have no problem with it.
I like the tang safety, like on the Ruger 77
Gary Reeder
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Wednesday, July 03, 2019, 15:11 (2615 days ago) @ Huey
before they changed it.
I do too... Not unlike my beloved Ruger #1s...
Huey
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Wednesday, July 03, 2019, 15:27 (2615 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
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Ditto
Sid R
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Thursday, July 04, 2019, 04:14 (2614 days ago) @ Huey
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Oh I like Miroku! He's got a new Browning Sa22
ChrisG
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Wednesday, July 03, 2019, 18:12 (2614 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
and it's fantastic! An LGS has a new Win 92 I think he'll go look at. I handled it over the weekend but was afraid to handle it too long - didn't want it following me home.
no. 99% of the BS about Marlin's quality is just
Gary Reeder
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Wednesday, July 03, 2019, 12:11 (2615 days ago) @ ChrisG
that, BS. When Marlin sold the company their tooling was totally worn out. The new folks tried to build the guns on that tooling and they came out rough. there were only a few that got out that were not up to par. They recalled them immediately. Then the company played it smart and shut down the company for 8 months while they put in all new tooling and did test runs. The new guns then were much better steel and better fitting than the older Marlins. That was when some idiots decided to be experts and claim the guns had to have the JM proof mark on them to be any good. Again that was total BS. The new guns are as good if not better than the older ones. We have been using the new guns for our heavy recoiling custom guns in calibers like 50 Alaskan and such and absolutely no problems. So any Marlin lever gun you buy, whether it be an old one or the new ones will be fine.
Thanks! I'll shoot whatever he buys if he let's me. . .
ChrisG
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Wednesday, July 03, 2019, 12:35 (2615 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
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I don't disagree with the firearms expert
Sid R
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Wednesday, July 03, 2019, 17:41 (2615 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
But on this subject I do. When Marlin was moved to New York they had new machinery. They had new unskilled employees and production and the bottom line took presidence over quality. To this day they have covered the windows at the factory in New York and have foreigners working like its sweat shop. Do your due dillegence. It is a hit or miss on new Marlins as of a year ago. Believe me as a Marlin lover it pains me to say these things. I wish it were different. You want an outstanding .44 mag buy an old Marlin 1894S, Winchester 1894 Legacy or Browning 1892.
let's just agree to disagree. Out of over 2
Gary Reeder
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Wednesday, July 03, 2019, 23:43 (2614 days ago) @ Sid R
dozen in the last 2 years I have yet to have even one bad one or even one with a visible flaw. I know for a fact from personal friends that all you have mentioned is pure BS. So let's let it go at that.
Go with the marlin.
Lymey
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Wednesday, July 03, 2019, 10:23 (2615 days ago) @ ChrisG
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WIN/WIN SITUATION
JT
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Wednesday, July 03, 2019, 11:09 (2615 days ago) @ ChrisG
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"Pump" .44 Input?
J inFLG
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Wednesday, July 03, 2019, 12:39 (2615 days ago) @ JT
My brother's recent passing left me with an unfired IWI Timberwolf .44 pump action he purchased in the '90's. I've put maybe a dozen rounds thru it... it's OK... it's light, but exudes a certain 'flimsy-ness' about it too. Gary said he's had experience with them and the .44's were somewhat more prone to mis-feeding than the .357' models. No problems so far with this one. Any input (WB?) on these 'long out of production' carbines? Is it a mini 'gold mine?' Sorry to hijack a 'lever-gun' thread... =^\
The ones I have seen for sale on GB always
Brant
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Wednesday, July 03, 2019, 13:18 (2615 days ago) @ J inFLG
go for well more than I want to spend on any gun.
I have a friend who owns one. It is a neat little gun. He shoots what he calls mild loads and kills deer with it every year. He says it has ever given him trouble. I like how it carries easy. He likes it much better than my marlins, Rossi’s or Henry. He won’t sell and has asked me to outlying in his casket just before they close the lid. I told him I would but he can’t use it wherever he ends up so I’ll just stick in an extra 10/22 I have. He hates those!
Thanks for that, Brant.
J inFLG
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Wednesday, July 03, 2019, 13:23 (2615 days ago) @ Brant
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the IMI Timberwolf didn't last long before it was dropped.
Gary Reeder
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Wednesday, July 03, 2019, 13:38 (2615 days ago) @ J inFLG
We sold a few at our shop in Florida. A good friend who was one of the head honchos at RSR (our main distributor at the time) was the one that told me about the problems. He told me they had dropped them due to feeding problems. My gut feelings were the owners were trying to run flat nosed semi wadcutters thru them and they didn't feed well. That is just a guess. They were only around for 3 or 4 years, being dropped by '93 or so. After IMI dropped them Springfield Armory picked them up but they dropped them pretty quick too if I remember well.
Thanks Gary.
J inFlg
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Wednesday, July 03, 2019, 13:43 (2615 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
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Being sentimental is seldom profitable
WB
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Wednesday, July 03, 2019, 14:27 (2615 days ago) @ J inFlg
Man I'd sell that rig (.44's are the more rare I believe) and buy me 3-4 good guns I wanted!
For Gary too; I found on Gunbroker a JC Higgins or Wards (High Standard made), I forget, pump .22 that has the slide release button jammed for $125. I bet in 30 minutes I could fix that and make $100-150 profit. Just saying....
I have a hard time believing the Timberwolfs
Gary Reeder
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Wednesday, July 03, 2019, 14:39 (2615 days ago) @ WB
are bringing high dollar these days. We sold them new for well under $300. On the J.C. Higgins , there is a lot of demand for the late 50s and early 60s guns originally sold by Sears that were made by High Standard for Sears. See if it is the model 30. If I remember right that was the good one.
44 Timberwolf $2k-$3k asking!, Model 33
WB
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Wednesday, July 03, 2019, 14:44 (2615 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
Someone needs to pick this little gem up. Sweet shooter or money waiting to be made.
yeah I looked at it. They are asking $3000 for it but there
Gary Reeder
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Wednesday, July 03, 2019, 15:04 (2615 days ago) @ WB
are no bids on it at all. 5 days have gone by with 0 bids.