Hey Scotty, question please ?
jthomson
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Tuesday, August 27, 2019, 19:25 (2559 days ago)
do you have any headstamped brass with Herters 401 MAG or was all of the available ammo also built just by Herters ??
If my research is correct, George Herter contracted
WB
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Wednesday, August 28, 2019, 07:04 (2558 days ago) @ jthomson
Norma in Sweden to manufacture ammo and components. It is top quality stuff and still a great find some 50 yrs. later. .30-30 brass can be cut down and the rims spun down to work. I use .41 Mag. brass by sticking it on a mandrel I made to clamp them in my lathe to turn the case head down about 0.009". Sizing a .41 in a .40 S&W die throws up that teeny belt that has to be trimmed off to fit. Also the OAL of brass is 0.125", not the resulting 0.127-0.131" the .41 ends up being.
The 10mm rimmed magnum concept dates back to the 1930's and counterparts of Elmer Keith. They were taking 0.403" bore Colt single actions and boring cylinders for a cut down version of the .401 WSL from 1910 fame. Those bullets were actually 0.408" but whats a few thousandths? It worked fine. Even with the old No.80 powder I'm certain the 200-250 gr. bullets ran upward of 1400 fps. Pretty snappy and there was lots of meat in those old pre-war Colt cylinders compared to any other larger calibers of the day. You know someone packed a .38 case full of No.80 and tried it. Wonder what that did with the 158 gr.?
Today everyone needs a gimmick to capture interest. The 10mm is subject of lore now in semi-auto fame. Not totally undeserved, enough guys bought into the idea it is a cannon to actually have it in hand when a need arose, and it filled the bill. A rimmed 10mm mag. equals the .41 Mag. nicely but does nothing it cannot. I think if someone decided to resurrect it in a mid-frame like the GP-100 (with six-shots please) it would be an instant success, every swinging Dick would have to have the new one!
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YES! Keep an eye out for that .401 Herter's ammo!
WB
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Wednesday, August 28, 2019, 08:35 (2558 days ago) @ WB
Who knows, someone might actually give this!
I wonder if there is actually anyone mentally unstable
Gary Reeder
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Wednesday, August 28, 2019, 12:27 (2558 days ago) @ WB
enough to pay $400 for a box of 401 Herter ammo? Talk about trying to revive a dead horse.
I've found some and a set of dies...
Huey
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Wednesday, August 28, 2019, 12:47 (2558 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
Of course no gun and not really interested in one. Have 40 S&W, 10mm, 401 GNR and 38-40.
Will post some more stuff one day...
I have a gun I've thought of modifying to 10mm Auto Mag.
WB
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Wednesday, August 28, 2019, 13:00 (2558 days ago) @ Huey
with full moon clips, since Starline makes the brass. All in the world it's a rimless Herter's by sheer accident and specification. I'm a champion procrastinator so I may never do it.
I once also made some "rimmed" 10mm auto rounds. Six actually. I finally got them to work but it was not easy. The rims had to be turned way down due to interfering with the pawl gear on the gun I have. It still had to actually headspace off the case mouth. It was quite an exercise in futility, but I learned a lot. I made them from .30-30 and had to inside neck ream the brass too. Very labor intensive.
Isn't that totally nutts! Like Yo-yo fishing, sumptin bite!
WB
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Wednesday, August 28, 2019, 13:03 (2558 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
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Local dealer had an H&K PSG-1 on dislpay
Asa
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Wednesday, August 28, 2019, 15:43 (2558 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
Had double what it was worth on the tag, added another $5,000 a few times over the years, come to find out it was because people were willing to pay for what he was asking.
I use to sell lunch meat, $.49 cents couldnt give it away, 2 for $1, couldnt keep it on the shelf?
Human nature is the most wonderous marketing tool.