Question, right to the point.
Tom
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Sunday, September 22, 2019, 17:18 (2531 days ago)
Will my 6" 586 L-Frame .357 handle factory 180 gr. hard cast loads and will my 4 5/8" Ruger Super Black Hawk handle factory 300 gr. hard cast loads?
Most definitely the SBH will handle factory 300 grn..
Huey
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Sunday, September 22, 2019, 17:22 (2531 days ago) @ Tom
But, don't know much about S&W Guns. JT or Gary can definitely answer you.
My 686 seems fine with 180 gr. cast at 1300 fps
WB
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Sunday, September 22, 2019, 17:58 (2531 days ago) @ Huey
Not really abusive at all. The 125 gr. JHP seem much harder on the gun to me. The 300 gr. in SBH are not very fun. Whacks my knuckle something fierce. Plus it makes it shoot really high to the sights.
If that is the case
Tom
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Sunday, September 22, 2019, 19:19 (2531 days ago) @ WB
maybe I should stay with the 240 gr.-255 gr. I'll try a few 300 gr. first to see if I get the same results.
Where I find recoil tolerable it hits 6" high
WB
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Sunday, September 22, 2019, 20:29 (2531 days ago) @ Tom
I run out of adjustment bottoming the rear sight. So the other option is to speed up fps. Then recoil gets to be an issue. A scope cheats the issue. You will just have to try it yourself. The gun was designed around the 240 gr. bullet. The heavies came later, so did the Redhawk.
My experience is limited, however
GregG
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Monday, September 23, 2019, 06:25 (2531 days ago) @ Tom
In order to get the maximum powder charge in the 44mag case to exploit the 300/305/310 etc, bullet weights I crimp on the bottom groove; as recommended This resulted in the OAL exceeding the length of the SBH cylinder. The Redhawk was designed to handle the longer (heavier) cartridges. Problem solved with the Redhawk (a.k.a. TANK). You may be able to get the OAL down by crimping on the top groove, but that will limit your powder charge, and sort of defeat the intent. I'd also be a bit leery of a six-shot cylinder vs. a 5-shot cylinder in a SBH. I run heavy Garrett's and heavy handloads through my Redhawk and sleep like a baby.
the best thing is to let your guns decide which
Gary Reeder
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Monday, September 23, 2019, 12:37 (2530 days ago) @ Tom
bullets or ammo to use. I have 3 S&W model 29s in 44 Magnum. One will not shoot anything except 180 grain or 200 grain jacketed bullets. The other 2 like the heavier bullets, especially the 265 grain jacketed round nose Hornady bullet. None of the 3 will shoot anything heavier than the 270 grain Speer. So try some of each and see which ones you guns like and shoot best. And let them decide, not someone on here.
THIS SHOULD BE HANDED OUT
JT
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Monday, September 23, 2019, 14:13 (2530 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
WITH EVERY GUN AS I HAVE SAID NUMEROUS TIMES "EVERY GUN HAS ITS OWN PERSONALITY" THERE ARE NO ANSWERS TO "WHICH LOAD WILL SHOOT BEST IN MY GUNS?" ONLY EXPERIENCE, PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WILL TELL.
ANSWER RIGHT TO THE POINT
JT
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Sunday, September 22, 2019, 20:44 (2531 days ago) @ Tom
DEFINE FACTORY
Factory
Tom
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Monday, September 23, 2019, 07:51 (2530 days ago) @ JT
Most likely Double Tap, Grizzly Ammo, of Federal Cast Core
for the .454 300-325 gr, undecided on the source for the .357
I don't hand load so whoever it come from will be factory ammo.
.44 magnum, not .454
Tom
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Monday, September 23, 2019, 07:53 (2530 days ago) @ Tom
Had .454 on my mind, ammo in question is for the .44 magnum.
your two guns are two of the strongest in those
Gary Reeder
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Monday, September 23, 2019, 11:20 (2530 days ago) @ Tom
calibers made. You are worrying way too much for nothing. I personally would stay away from Buffalo Bore ammo and anything listed as +P. The 357 Magnum and 44 Magnum are already +P rounds so there is no reason to go farther. If you really want to run the 44 to the max you can have a 5 shot cylinder made for it. Nothing is idiot proof so stay away from things marked +P and any handloads that you didn't load and you and the guns will be fine.
No BB
Tom
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Monday, September 23, 2019, 12:42 (2530 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
for me, and I DO NOT shoot anyone else's reloads, saw someone learn a very valuable life lesson doing just that
at the range one afternoon. Ended up OK for the shooter, not so much for the barrel of the gun.
THERE ARE FACTORY .44s RECOMMENDED
JT
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Monday, September 23, 2019, 14:07 (2530 days ago) @ Tom
ONLY FOR THE REDHAWK AND SUPER REDHAWK AND .357 FOR FA ONLY. IN THE EARLY '60s KEITH REPORTED ON TESTING OF HEAVY LOADS TO SEE WHAT THE SMITH 29 AND SUPER BLACKHAWK WOULD TAKE. THE SMITH STRETCHED AND SUPER BLEW.
.357 Hard Cast
Tom
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Monday, September 23, 2019, 14:48 (2530 days ago) @ JT
Is there a factory 158 gr. HARD CAST load offered by anyone, all I seem to see are 180 and 200. To me there is not much difference between 158 and 180, only 22 gr. That's about 1/2 the size of a .22 long rifle bullet. A wider meplat is about all I see. Am I on the right track or completely off base?? A ballistics expert I am not.
YES THERE IS MUCH DIFFERENCE
JT
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Monday, September 23, 2019, 22:06 (2530 days ago) @ Tom
IN REAL PERFORMANCE BETWEEN A 158 AND A 180. THIS IS WHY WE USED 180s FOR LONG RANGE METALLIC SILHOUETTING.