Problem loading .50 AE, bullets too loose

WB
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Tuesday, September 27, 2022, 12:44 (576 days ago)

In the case. I found some Hornady XTP 350’s that are 0.499” exactly and verified. The sized Hornady brass in LEE full length size dies has an ID of 0.4965-0.497”. That’s not enough pull on the bullet. I can insert and pull a bullet out of a sized case. The brass is about 0.012” thick (each side). I made one and almost roll crimped it. The bullet can’t push back into the case for 28 grs. of H110 but I don’t think it will pull out with fingers, but I can spin it in the case.

Something is just not right. First reflex is to call LEE.

Anybody ever hear of anything with .50 AE?

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I may powder coat the XTP’s to bump them up to .501” or so.

Our original Lucifer's Hammer revolver

Gary Reeder
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Tuesday, September 27, 2022, 14:20 (576 days ago) @ WB

was based on a revolver and we had a sizer die that was too loose and the bullet would spin. I had another sizer die made to tighter dimensions and did a good strong taper crimp and no more problems. If you are going to do a lot of loading for Roman you probably should get a tighter sizer die made by Lee. They are the only company that I know of that will make up a special one of a kind die. You will have to give them all the data including case mouth thickness. Also check if he has more than one brand of brass and see what the case neck dimension is on each of them.

Very good point and advise.

WB
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Tuesday, September 27, 2022, 14:41 (576 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

Loading for it is not that expensive EXCEPT for the projectiles. Due to demand the XTP's are fetching $2 each. It's a gas semi-auto and you don't really want to shoot naked cast with grease through it. Not much anyway. PLUS it has that polygonal rifling that mandates jacketed OR oversize cast with some type of self lubricating encapsulating coating that will fully fill that odd bore. It's quite the challenge to shoot proper cast.

If you have a fancy iron you want to shoot it so we will have fun working around the built in limitations.

I bet LEE knows about it, has heard of it, or has some info on this special application. I thought The LEE die was a taper crimp but it is odd in the way it performs. There is still some case mouth to catch the chamber but not too much.

+1 for getting a Lee die. I had the same problem

drdougrx
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Wednesday, September 28, 2022, 04:42 (575 days ago) @ WB

with a few 429GNR loads and had Lee make me a factory crimp die. Some of the brass I use wasn’t sized down enough for tension, some loads used pulled bullets. The FCD works great, was inexpensive and was delivered in about six weeks as I recall.

I'd try an RCBS .50 AE Sizing Die

Revolvers&1911s
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Tuesday, September 27, 2022, 15:45 (576 days ago) @ WB

I have the Lee dies and the sizer always resulted in stuck cases no matter what I did or what lube I tried. I bought an RCBS .50 AE sizer die and that solved my ptoblem. I still use the Lee expander and bullet seating die with no issues.

The only reason I suggested the Lee is they sorta specialize

Gary Reeder
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Tuesday, September 27, 2022, 15:50 (576 days ago) @ Revolvers&1911s

in one of a kind dies done within your lifetime.
For other than that I always use either Hornady Custom, Dillon or RCBS.

I’m going to check with LEE, something is up

WB
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Wednesday, September 28, 2022, 06:27 (575 days ago) @ Revolvers&1911s

The Lee steel sizer works fine. I use RCBS lube pad and no sticky cases at all. I just need 0.003-0.005” tighter sizing for the Hornady cases and 0.499-0.500” bullets. The brass is thick, I mic 0.012” thick at mouth, each side.

I may just need to poop can the LEE dies, go Green. I have a bunch of LEE stuff that works fine. This is unusual.

Loaded alot of 50AE when I had a DE,

Darryl T.
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Tuesday, September 27, 2022, 16:23 (576 days ago) @ WB

My dies are RCBS. Never had an issue. Still have a couple hundred rounds but no gun. Someday will have to pull them apart.

Also still have a 10inch barrel left. Need to get

Darryl T.
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Tuesday, September 27, 2022, 16:31 (576 days ago) @ Darryl T.

It listed on GB. I don't think they make them anymore.

That stuff brings good money. I bought a .357 from Puffy

WB
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Tuesday, September 27, 2022, 20:51 (575 days ago) @ Darryl T.

With an extra longer barrel. Shot it some took some pictures. It slide turned bright plumb. It was an interesting machine but not all that useful. Kind of like a movie prop that really shot.

Random ideas

Bob Denning @, Kalispell MT
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Tuesday, September 27, 2022, 18:38 (575 days ago) @ WB

Duck tape. A modern version of a paper patched bullet.

Dip them in a viagra solution before you load them?

Smack them with a hammer then resize them in a lee sizer

Buy new bullets

What with the cost of bullets, etc...

AmBraCol ⌂, The Center Of God's Grace
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Wednesday, September 28, 2022, 06:38 (575 days ago) @ WB

you ought to get him started on swaging his own bullets as well. At $2 a pop on factory HP projectiles, it wouldn't take too many to pay for the cost of a swaging setup. :-D Plus you could order the dies to give you that extra couple thousandths diameter to improve fit.

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50 AE Bullet tension

50GIFreak
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Wednesday, September 28, 2022, 07:28 (575 days ago) @ WB

I use an NOE expander die and buttons. It will allow you to adjust the amount of expansion of the case and will allow you to get as much bullet tension you need/want.

I started a support ticket with LEE we'll see

WB
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Wednesday, September 28, 2022, 09:25 (575 days ago) @ WB

*In the remote chance it might interest you....

The LEE dies seem to conform with SAAMI specs that show a loaded round measuring 0.529" at front of the case. My loaded Hornady component rounds mic 0.526" (I know, but they just do). A total of 0.006-0.007" of case pull on the seated bullet seems a good number (there is only about 2-3 thou right now). So this makes me wonder about the brass. It would need to be only about 0.0015 or 0.002" thicker per side to make this up and everything work like it should (0.0014" rather than 0.0012" thick). This would be close to the SAAMI OD spec of 0.529" with a 0.499" bullet (in proportion to what I measure now). I'm getting a few thou larger on the OD than the literal math would indicate, maybe my measuring point, but it seems consistent.

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Roman only needs a couple mags worth. SO I did something sort of crazy. The ONLY die I have close from about 100 sets is a belted magnum sizer (I used a .338). I squeezed down the 1/3 front portion of the case mouth to around 15 thou under. The SAAMI shows 0.529, Lee was doing, 0.526 OD, the .338 die sized the OD at the mouth to 0.511. My ID dropped from 0.497 to 0.485". Notably too tight but would it work with a bullet seated into a heavily chamfered case? Sort of. The result was workable but I was worried about concentricity and maybe a tiny bulge in the case. I gently ironed cases using the LEE sizer (on loaded rounds) with the decapper removed. Not FL but just to iron out any malformities. It seemed to work and is doable for an emergency on maybe 20 rounds.

The thick jacket and generous bevel allowed a gently forcing of the bullet into the slightly necked cases.
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